Some 88 Patriot systems deployed in Saudi Arabia failed to repel attack on Saudi Aramco oil facilities, letting dozens of drones and guided missiles get through defences, a high-ranking source in the Russian Defence Ministry said. The source dismissed the excuse that the US Secretary of State gave to explain the Patriot fiasco, noting that in fact the American air defence system simply has low efficiency.

“The secretary of state’s claims that air defence systems around the world demonstrate controversial results in repelling attacks sometimes can only be taken seriously if we are speaking about a single Patriot system, covering one object. But the US had deployed a powerful air defence grid in Saudi Arabia, especially in the north, with a solid radar field”, the source said.

The defence ministry source further indicated that if such an air defence grid failed to thwart the attack it means that the Aegis and Patriot’s specifications do not reflect their actual performance, as they are apparently ineffective in countering small aircraft and guided missiles. The source added that these systems are incapable of repelling a massive use of aerial weapons.

Separately, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has called for an impartial and thorough investigation into the attack on Saudi Aramco refineries. He warned that unsubstantiated accusations against Iran allegedly being complicit in it only escalate tensions in the region.

Attack on Saudi Oil Facilities

Two oil refineries belonging to Saudi Aramco, Riyadh’s state oil company, were attacked by drones and missiles on 14 September, sustaining significant damage that stopped their operations for days. This led to a substantial reduction in the country’s crude output, essentially cutting it in half.

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The US was quick to accuse Iran of the attack despite Yemeni Houthi militants claiming responsibility for it. US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo called the incident an “act of war” by Iran, while President Trump assured that the country is “locked and loaded” to respond. Washington has presented no proof of Iran’s involvement, while Saudi Arabia presented debris described as belonging to Iran-made missiles and drones.

Iranian officials vehemently denied the accusations. The country’s Foreign Minister Javad Zarif slammed the US for trying to divert attention away from the real problems in the Middle East region and urged Riyadh to provide Tehran with the debris found to study it. Iran’s Defence Minister Amir Hatami said that the attack was a result of military stand-off between the Houthis, Saudi Arabia and its military coalition, which has been taking place in Yemen since 2015.

 

Source: Sputnik

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Among experts it is a well known fact that the efficiency of ”Patriot” is low, around 1% according to MIT Professor Dr. Postol.

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A good reminer of their “modernized” PAC-3 ability indeed. Time to try their luck against the no.1 missile power in the mideast to make sure that little sample was for real 😀

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Except that Postol hasn’t spoken about the PAC-3 a single time.

+++ “the no.1 missile power in the mideast”
=> Do you mean Saudi-Arabia or Israel or USA?
KSA has impressive ballistic capability but with Israel, you count in megatons.
With US, it is huge, but you can’t really evaluate without knowing the deployment of the submarine fleet

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You were the one stuck into a monologue about Postol, I never said I based my conjectures on him. I instead spoke about hard and very simple realities that happened a couple days ago and that fails to pierce your bubble, which system failed and shamed Sec. Pompeo himself rushing to every tribune to justify the impossible. As Uzi Rubin, father of Israel ABMs said a few years back, Iran is the number one “conventional” missile power in terms of combined launch capability, when you factor in the country’s size and the spread of its TELs over its territory ,… Read more »

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– You seem to forget that Postol is PhD in nuclear engineering so he’s nowhere near from being an expert in ballistics! Thus, using the fact he’s a MIT professor doesn’t stands as a rhetorical argument of authority as he’s NOT into missile science at all! – The Patriot controversy was about Patriot PAC-1/PAC-2 (PAC-1 : 1981, PAC-2: 1990) during the Gulf war… Note we’re talking about a 70km ranged SAM for PAC-1 and a 96-160km one for PAC-2 which both weren’t conceived to intercept missiles but destined at dealing with aircraft, until renewed musician Jeff “Skunk” Baxter (Steely Dan,… Read more »

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Shut up you zionist-mafia troll…thumbs down every time to your BS

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And I often thumbdown myself when I think I haven pi$$ed off the vermin who thumbdowns me…
Any way, in the end, they’re always forced to admit I was right 🙂
You lack knowledges : the Zionists rejected Mayer Lansky’s allyah!
Amusing fact : Mayer is the only one from Cosa Nostra’s “golden era” to never have been convicted!

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Been enjoying the PR debacle following the Aramco shyte show for 2 days straight and still can’t get enough of that 😂😂 Ice the cake would be some local Douche crawling out of his cave to teach us how yet another such lamentable fiasco actually means some kind of tactical success. That scoring 17 precise hits on separate key structures within one of the world’s most important refineries so deep into Saudi airspace with combined weapon systems was so incredibly easy to accomplish and could be done by just “anyone”and has nothing impressive in it, that the US was in… Read more »

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We’ve seen it with the Pantsir getting blasted by drones flying at only 185km/h. Even a 1943 “Meat Chopper” would have done better than Pantsir! Yeah, buy Russian! Oh, wait, we still haven’t seen Iran under attack… Will see… +++ “even Donald lacks the b***s to nuke Tehran once and for all” => Not everybody has the mullahs phantasms of razing cities with millions inhabitants… I have no doubts that if the Ayatoilet could, he’d definitively nuke Israel and the USA even f Iran gets nuked in return. As Nasrallah pointed, we love life while they love death… But… Why… Read more »

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that refinerys were under protect not only saudies..also US army patriot operators!..and they failed to shot down even a single drone!…I remember trump and pentagon happy after they launched cruise missile vs Syria!..now Karma has strike back!

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These 88 Patriot air defences failed to repel the attack not because their deficiencies, but because they were supposed to fail, to allow a political goal – to show the world how bad a country Iran is.
For its part, Iran had nothing to gain by attacking these Saudi refineries, and therefore it was a false flag event.

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+++ “These 88 Patriot air defences” => Not forcedly : there are 6x M901 launchers, each can receive either 4 PAC-2 or 16 PAC-3. You can absolutely decide to have e.g. 16x PAC-2 ranging 160km, 16x PAC-3 MSE ranging 35km and 16x PAC-3 ranging 20km… There is the brand new PAAC-4 Stunner, so you can load 96 missiles ranging 160km, but you’d better order it direct from Israel : Raytheon still hasn’t started deliveries as it will be license built in the US very soon (there are already orders, but at the present day, only Israel is user and builds… Read more »

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Russia Pantsir couldn’t stop a single Israeli strike on Syria because of low efficiency too! Here we see 2 missiles fired by a Pantsir missing a 185km/h only IAI Harop kamikaze drone (in fact, 2 Harops) then the $15 millions Pantsir battery getting destroyed : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUfpA9YAgWM The a 2nd Pantsir gets blasted… Harop flies slower than the ubiquitous Cessna 152… How funny : Pantsir is supposed specialised into countering missiles, rockets, drones, etc! In fact, the only reason Patriot and Pantsir, and most of systems have a hard time to cope with such threats in Syria or KSA while Israel… Read more »

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As we are, the only missile PROVEN able to take out high efficiency Russian Mach3 cruise missiles flying as low as 2m altitude, like Oniks or Kalibr, as much as ballistic missiles like Iskander or Scud is the Aster-30 It’s available with the EuroSAM MAMBA aka SAMP/T batteries (6 launchers of 8 = 48 ready to fire missiles for half of a S-400 battery price) or in VLS SYLVER 50 or 70 which you can find on most of EU ships. Thus, it’s also compatible with US Mk.41 VLS A new version of the Aster ranging about 500km is soon… Read more »

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And when it comes to short range, call Rheinmetall+Oerlikon!
With the MANTIS/SkyShield/SkyRanger
The Swiss gun makes everything coming close looking like Swiss-cheese, if the laser didn’t melted it like the Fribourg’s Fondue before while the Germans take care of the turrets and vehicles
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More than 2500 tungsten bullets on target every second!
With 2 missiles, Pantsir misses a 185km/h drone
Look at 1:45: one single shell and the drones, which drops flares, goes down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3zhkpVsn28
Indonesia’s anti-jet-powered drone test :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwwPgP6iLns
Wehrmacht Powa!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWb12gzTIoY&t=24s
Laser HEL!

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EU weapons are s**t!…by the way Israeli Iron dome use to fail when have to face a massive rockets attack!

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Amusing since the biggest jihadist bonfire I’ve heard about for long was the Balakot air strike… According to India, 300+ and from what can be seen on classified sat pictures, holly fück, the 12 Mirage-2000 did the same effect as an Arc-Ray strike… 42% less infiltrations of terrorists in India… The MOAB killed only about a hundred Talibans. When you remember how the Israeli Mirages devastated Arab armies. BTW, Giora “Hawkeye” Epstein is still the aces of the aces on jets with 17 victories using a Mirage… Saddam misused his Mirage-F1 using them too much as bomb trucks with poor… Read more »

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SAA have intercepted about 80% of cruise missile launched by israel along these years!…now are using drones and small GBU bombs because its arsenal have decrease!…7 years attacking Syria and minimal damage!..just some warehouse, ammo depot and nothing else!..and have wasted hundred of cruise missile ( Delilah and Popeye)!…each one cost about 10 warehouse!

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A very accurate angle Rhodium 10. Indeed, beyond the usual PR bullshit that the Israeli political leadership has used its local population to believe on every turn, bullocks like “we destroy half the Syrian armed forces” in EVERY strike, that if true, would have turned Syria back to the stone age by no, in reality,only a very small fringe of the global number of PGMs used in their countless aggression have effectively reached their targets, the combination of advanced late-generation Buks and Pantsyr have done documented wonders in popping up air-launched munitions out of the sky, and only and handful… Read more »

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Rhodium 10 is as accurate as a FAB-250 dropped by a MiG-21.
IDF don’t go after Syrian Armed Forces as long as these don’t open fire on IDF

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Tee deaf-blind dog speaks again. They’ve done this dozens of time and do not even try to hide their intent anymore, now don’t overdo your lackey job, mate.

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+++ “SAA have intercepted about 80% of cruise missile launched by israel along these years!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 In fact they let 80%+ go through. Everybody has witnessed how Pantsir wasn’t even to shoot down a 185km/h Harop! Even an old Shilka would do better… +++ “now are using drones and small GBU bombs because its arsenal have decrease!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Not really, and they don’t use GBU, they use Spice… And they export a LOT! BTW, be it Spice-1000 or Spice-2000, it’s just like the JDAMs or Paveways : they’re kits you fit on Mk-83 and Mk-84 iron-bombs. The 250lbs Spice-250 means… Read more »

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Everybody has witnessed how Pantsir wasn’t even to shoot down a 185km/h Harop! Even an old Shilka would do better…” Everybody has witness that failed propaganda coup by the IDF’s media wing, yeah ! ” In fact they let 80%+ go through. ” That Pantsyr is a well-known failed PR attempt by the IDF and was debunked time and again, countless simple analysis of the video showed an inactive Pantsyr with cannons and radars folded in maintenance mode. They always have to do double, if not triple tap and still do minimum damage, and voluntarily choose warehouse so that the… Read more »

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Shut up you zionist-mafia mossad terrorist troll……f*ck you and your kith n kin….thumbs down every time to your BS

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I thank Mossad : they helped preventing countless terrorist attacks in my country!
We love them at the agency.

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Marg bar jomhuri Eslami

Moreover, IDF are the only ones killing Hezbullshit while we should sledgehammer them too! I’m jealous

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I’d see it the other way around : They would be the only ones truly blowing you up everywhere around at every turn whenever things go a bit hot, after the Egyptians left the party in 73.

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We actually hate them for the treacherous bastards they are. They have been considered a major security risk by the DGPN and DCRI for a long time. Only active lobbying prevented a major crisis in 2011, you must have been sleeping in your Hasbara cave if you missed the major headlines including on TV at the time.

http://elnetwork.fr/quand-israel-tentait-despionner-la-securite-interieure-francaise